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Tao Dolcino
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:48:00 -
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I have not much hope that the CSM will concretly fight for us, they are too busy being hypnotized by CCP's blink-blink. And i have no trust at all in CCP, because, how do you call that... wait... there is a word for that... Ah yes ! Mafia. |
Tao Dolcino
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:23:00 -
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James Arget wrote:Since apparently I'm the only CSM left awake, I'll share my personal thoughts on the matter. Keep in mind, we've yet to hear anything from CCP on this, so I'm pretty much shooting from the hip with the same knowledge you all have. First off, let's look at the joint CSM statement which was recently released, which I agree with: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281879&find=unreadIn particular, Quote:2. Favoring one community fan site over others.
Issues (2) and (5) are business decisions that CCP has the right to make. We think they are a mistake, and hope that the uproar over this issue will cause CCP to re-evaluate these policies for future promotions. Supporting groups that have a clear educational/public service focus in-game is one thing; supporting a group that is distinctly for-profit -- and one that can use the ISK it generates to secretly support in-game groups -- breeds distrust for CCP in the community. The Ishukone Watch Scorpion pretty much exists to be given away to community site. While it does have an in-game value, I think that for most recipients it's much more valuable to them as a token of the work they've invested in the EVE Community. Thus, I'm not bothered that people who help to run a far-reaching organization received them. What I am bothered by is the number of people who didn't receive them. While many different entities have been named by players in this thread and via other media, CCP has a very nice list already made up that I can refer to: |
Tao Dolcino
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
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Posted - 2013.10.05 12:39:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:This is my personal, initial reaction to this news. I want to emphasize that I do not have any significant non-public information about this, nor has the CSM had time to get any information from CCP.
1) CCP has the right to give away Ishukone Scorpions to anyone they want to, for any reason. They are a promotional item.
2) The choice of who they give them to (or don't give them to) has consequences in the community.
3) The recent SOMER-gate uproar means the consequences of this earlier interaction have magnified significance.
My initial impression is that the problem here is not that SOMER got the ships, but that the reward (and any others that CCP may have given out) were not made public.
"Publicity is justly commended as a remedy for social and industrial diseases. Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman." -- Louis D. Brandeis, Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court
You really don't get it.... Public or secret, it changes nothing : if this was public we would still find it unfair, see what has happened with somergate 1. Your CSM colleague in another thread fail the same way than you to understand this basic fact. In fact they all failed to answer our main concern. You CSM have been created after a similar scandal to avoid that it happens again, and now you are as effective and dynamic as a piece of butter and have no wish at all to put in danger your position of CCP's spokespersons.
All what you are able to tell us is : 1) we cannot speak because the NDA 2) even when it's not under the NDA, we don't want to tell you, "for your own good" (words from another of your colleagues). 3) CCP is the boss, they can do what they want and we have nothing to say.
What it shows is that we can't rely on you to defend us players against CCP's skulduggeries. |
Tao Dolcino
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:33:00 -
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sally Deninard wrote:The reason it's in-game price is so high because of the craft's current rarity. "Yet as more are introduced I am pretty sure the market price will lower based on total supply, as we see after the first few days any ship has been added to EVE."
So all what they find to tell us is : yes, we give away some ships to some friends-mafia buddies, but as we plan to flood EVE with such ships, it's not important because finally they'll be worth nothing... They take us for retards or what ? |
Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:37:00 -
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What makes me also sad is that so many people fail to see this simple fact : A lottery with the theme "EVE" in background has nothing to do with the game EVE whatsoever. It is just another lottery. It brings nothing to EVE. They could have done it with the theme far west or pirats or whatever, it would change nothing to what they are concretly doing : sucking money from naive people and giving back a smaller amount via a lottery. And the fact that isk is used as intermediary doesn't change anything, for isk is permanantly interchangeable with real money. CCP rewarding them is very representative of their state of mind : blink money with a fishy smell above loyal and happy customers. |
Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:48:00 -
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There is absolutely no way to count on the CSM to represent us. They are in another world, the world of blink-blink, glitter pailettes. The CSM has been created by CCP only to serve as buffer between them and the customers. We must fight by ourselves. |
Tao Dolcino
Radio Silence Inc.
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:39:00 -
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Bischopt wrote:[The fact that CCP is a business has been showing a bit too obviously in the recent years. To me (some might disagree) it feels like they're no longer making EVE into the best game it can be, instead they're making it into something that'll sell and look good.
"Greed is good"
Which means : they are ready to destroy the game for a short term profit. |
Tao Dolcino
Radio Silence Inc.
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Posted - 2013.10.07 07:51:00 -
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As much as i appreciate what EVE-UNI, RvB, Chribba, etc... are bringing to the community, we must all keep in mind that the real goal is that there is no favouritism whatsoever in the sandbox. If slimy CCP announces that they will also give some items to them, don't fall in their trap ! It's not at all addressing our problem ! The corruption and the cronyims stay ! |
Tao Dolcino
Radio Silence Inc.
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Posted - 2013.10.07 09:59:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:the spirit of the game CCP give away hundreds of billions of ISK worth of unique ships every year. They also give away special edition ships for commercial reasons every year.
And yet another CSM member confirming that we have nothing to await from them. Favoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
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Tao Dolcino
Radio Silence Inc.
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:39:00 -
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Bronco Platz wrote:Or they decided to keep silent, because: "All we have to say, we said last time." Waiting to the dust get-¦s settled. And then act like there is nothing happend.
I bet they will come up with a lame excuse (in fact just like the one they already gave us) and will maybe give away, or promise to give away, some free stuff to EVE-UNI, Chribba, RvB, etc... just to confuse people enough to make them forget that the real point is that there is corruption and favouritism which is damaging the sandbox.
Edit : seeing how many people accuse us of jealousy shows how easy it is to confuse them. Favoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
Tao Dolcino
Radio Silence Inc.
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:36:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:whinging about whinging If you have no opinion on the matter, then what are you expressing?
Blind obediance, passivity, lazyness to think, conformism, fatalism, bitterness... all the reasons why the corruption is so flourishing in our world.
Jenn aSide, all what you are able to say is : flee (unsub) or shut up. The true courage is to stand for what you think right.
I will unsub if there is nothing else left, but i don't want to give up without fighting. Favoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
Tao Dolcino
Radio Silence Inc.
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:57:00 -
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CCP has only trolls to defend them on this one. There no point to discuss with them. Favoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
Tao Dolcino
Radio Silence Inc.
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:48:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Disdaine wrote:Thirteen posts in the last two pages. Fourteen
We are here because we have something to defend. You are here because you have nothing. Just as each time you post. Since years. Favoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
Tao Dolcino
Radio Silence Inc.
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:07:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:To all the people trying to dismiss those of us who are complaining, proclaiming us "childish", suggesting that we don't understand that it's "just a game" and that CCP have "every right" to do this...
I'll let you in on a little secret: We know it's a game. It's one of our little hobbies. We compete with each other for fun. We understand that EVE, and what happens in it, in the grand scheme of things isn't of great importance to our lives. We get that.
But it is a fun little hobby of ours, and if it's being messed with, we kinda don't like that.
Let's go with an analogy: Plenty of people play football (soccer) against their friends as a hobby. Nothing of great importance resides on the outcome, and they're in it just for fun. Now lets say that during a friendly match, just for a fun past time, the referee decides that one team is getting handed 3 extra goals. Just because he can do that. People wouldn't like that, and they'd stop playing with that referee.
People would be upset. And it's not because we are mistakenly attributing too great of an importance on what is just a hobby, it's not because we're childish and upset that the other group won... it's because, at the end of the day, such actions reduce the fun we had with that activity. It's that simple. It makes it not as fun any more. If the interference happens enough times, and to large enough degrees, we're going to move away from this particular fun past time onto one which is just more enjoyable.
I'm surprised this has to even be explicitly explained, I would have thought it rather obvious. Or maybe it is, and people are just trolling or trying to defend a company/game they're fans of from any criticism
Exactly. I'll add that if you don't move your as* to fight against unfairness at such a relative small scale, then you will certainly not move it neither when you will witness something bigger. It's a question of ethic, justice, moral, conscientiousness... you name it. It's as important in the details as in the big picture. If you don't feel that anymore, then you are losing your humanity. Favoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
Tao Dolcino
Radio Silence Inc.
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:11:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:why is every one's response "if you don't like it: leave"?
Because they have been conditioned to never ask any question, to never think. They blindly follow what the guy in (pick your favourit) chasuble, military uniform, white coat, suit and tie... say. That way, they can be endlessly exploited and fooled without ever rebeling. Favoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
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